"Jb boin" (jb-boin)
08/21/2020 at 07:25 • Filed to: ACEA, facts
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"Jb boin" (jb-boin)
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There are many nice graphics on the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! account like those :
facw
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 07:38 |
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I’m not sure those fatality numbers are useful though. I suspect they are mostly just measuring miles traveled with actual vehicle safety being a much more minor factor (at least for the developed world)
It is interesting to see the significant vehicle age spread between Eastern and Western Europe (the US was at 11.4 years last I saw).
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> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 07:39 |
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Of course, the UK cheats by making the maximum speed limit in the biggest cities only 20 MPH...
We’re on the south side of the river and that 20 MPH and all the Speed Cams really suck.
farscythe - makin da cawfee!
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 07:41 |
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im kind of surprised greece doesnt have 103.000 traffic deaths per 100.000 inhabitants...
seriously...the side to every road over there is covered in little shrines where people got themselves killed
pip bip - choose Corrour
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 07:46 |
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meanwhi le in Australia, the total is a big fat ZERO.
nothing from November 2017 onwards.
SiennaMan
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 07:50 |
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That vehicle age highlights the economic differences between parts of Europe, except for Finland, I suspect they're just the oppo of nations..
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facw
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
08/21/2020 at 07:53 |
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Low speed limits in cities make sense though. Much better to design your city’s policies for people rather than cars.
duurtlang
> facw
08/21/2020 at 07:54 |
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Many used vehicles are being exported in large numbers from Western Europe to Eastern Europe. It keeps the average age artificially low in the west and artificially high in the east.
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> farscythe - makin da cawfee!
08/21/2020 at 07:54 |
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Turkey almost matches that...
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facw
> pip bip - choose Corrour
08/21/2020 at 07:56 |
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Makes you wonder if they aren’t counted at all, or if they folded you guys into South Asia or Greater China something. Similar questions about where cars made in Malaysia fall into that chart, though of course they are still building.
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> SiennaMan
08/21/2020 at 07:56 |
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Nice to see the MOT and TuV doing their jobs in the UK and Germany, respectively...
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duurtlang
> SiennaMan
08/21/2020 at 07:59 |
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Partly. It’s a tax issue too. In some countries, the Netherlands for example, new cars are taxed quite heavily. Especially based on CO2 emissions (=fuel economy). So the new cars sold are subcompacts and hybrids/electrics mostly. The result is that people evade the biggest chunk of this tax by importing used cars of a few years old. You still need to pay the new car emissions tax when importing a used car, but you get a big fat discount based on the age of the car.
Result: higher average age of vehicles.
Yet, in Ireland (if I’m not mistaken) it gets rather hard to insure a 15+ year old car, meaning that cars depreciate much quicker and are thus disposed off relatively prematurely.
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> facw
08/21/2020 at 07:59 |
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or more likely in malaysia, too small a volume to make an impact in the chart.
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facw
> pip bip - choose Corrour
08/21/2020 at 08:03 |
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Looks like they build a bit over half a million cars per year (also includes trucks, buses, etc. but not motorcycles or scooters): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_motor_vehicle_production
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pip bip - choose Corrour
> facw
08/21/2020 at 08:05 |
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far mor e than i was expecting honestly
RacinBob
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 08:25 |
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Number 1!
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SiennaMan
> duurtlang
08/21/2020 at 08:27 |
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So this then is why ages in countries like the UK and Ireland are so much lower than in the US. My Sienna is 15 YO based on assembly date, and if anything the insurance has gotten cheaper since I dropped comprehensive (ie loss/damage that isn’t someone else’s fault).
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> facw
08/21/2020 at 08:47 |
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Hey, I don’t disagree. At least in London the TFL options are plentiful.
It IS why I bitch all the time about all the money put into the Tesla story, which basically advances the conceit that everybody can drive around in their private 6000 pound air conditioned drawing room, while nothing is actually helping air pollution or congestion.
You will agree that 20 MPH is a pretty low speed on the arterials and ring roads?
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facw
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
08/21/2020 at 08:50 |
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Yeah, obviously the appropriate speed varies by the type of road. If you road doesn’t have pedestrians, then there’s no need to slow it down.
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> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 08:51 |
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It’s weird that the Irish own so many fewer cars than the Cypriots. Bizarre in fact
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duurtlang
> SiennaMan
08/21/2020 at 08:58 |
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I’m not used to it either. I paid €20 a month for my then 18 year old car in the Netherlands, and for the exact same car (now 20 years old) I’m currently paying €40 a month in Germany. Because Germany. €40 is still acceptable. However, from what I’ve heard many insurers in Ireland simply refuse new contracts for 15+ year old non-classics, and others drive up the price.
Another factor is export. In left hand drive continental western Europe, many used cars are exported to Eastern Europe. This reduces supply and thus keeps used car prices higher. They don’t have this on the isles, as their steering wheel is on the wrong side. So, due to oversupply their depreciation is higher.
ranwhenparked
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 10:06 |
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And then you’ve got my weirdo company, where we’ve got a fleet of thousands of vehicles in North America, Asia, and Europe, and somehow our North American organization has the best safety record - lowest total number of accidents, lowest accidents in relation to miles driven, lowest accidents in relation to fleet size, etc, although we are still worse than all of our competitors in the same industry. I don't know what our reps over in the UK are doing, but it seems like they need to get their act together.
Svend
> duurtlang
08/21/2020 at 10:08 |
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Ye’, quite a few RHD cars, vans and even trucks are exported to Malta and Cyprus because they are in better condition for their age and cheaper than buying locally. Some even make it out to the Caribbean.
TheRealBicycleBuck
> facw
08/21/2020 at 10:16 |
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It’s per million inhabitants, not miles traveled. I think miles traveled would be a much more informative number.
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facw
> TheRealBicycleBuck
08/21/2020 at 10:40 |
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Yeah, that is what I was saying. They way per million inhabitants, but what actually matters is how much those million inhabitants are driving.
Darkbrador
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 10:59 |
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Regarding the fatalites rate, c o uld it be that the (western) European driving education and licensing tests are much more t orough and difficult than in the rest of the word ?
(it’s a semantic question ... here in the US are basically allowed to drive if you can spell half of your name and find which side is the driver’s door on a car , basically.. . )
BaconSandwich is tasty.
> duurtlang
08/21/2020 at 11:32 |
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I find that kind of crazy that they don’t want to insure older vehicles. My Civic is now 19 years old, and I’m hoping it’ll last a while yet.
It makes me wonder if a person could find some good deals on interesting vehicles to import... (to Canada, from Europe).
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duurtlang
> BaconSandwich is tasty.
08/21/2020 at 12:04 |
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Depends on what you want I guess. The best deals are to be had in the UK and Ireland, but you’d have to deal with the steering wheel on the wrong side.
Still though, if you find something that is old enough for your import ban and has either never been sold in Canada or is much cheaper here, the export cannot be too expensive. I have no idea about the import costs inside Canada though.
We do these Oppomeets here in Europe too. There is one American who joins frequently, and he once half-jokingly said he wanted a mk1 Renault Twingo. Getting one of those in the US really is not that expensive. For a few thousand all-in you’d have one in a US (or Canadian) port.
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Jb boin
> duurtlang
08/21/2020 at 12:09 |
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In France if i am not mistaken the price stays the same no mater how old the car is.
If it gets the “ collection” status (a special fiscal status) it probably changes the price.
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Old cars are dirt cheap on the UK market compared to the mainland Europe , probably the same in Ireland and they also seem to be in Japan but that’s also because of the taxes to keep a non kei- car .
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One fun way to import could be to buy a car on Saint Pierre et Miquelon and take it back with the ferry but unfortunately i believe that the Canadian wharf still can’t accept vehicles .
And to be fair, as it’s a quite small territory , there are probably not many “old” non-Canadian market cars for sale (select the “Véhicules” category to see the few cars listed, havent found any other classifieds online that have cars ) and it might not be very cheap either (i have no clue on the used car market there to be fair ) .
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Jb boin
> ranwhenparked
08/21/2020 at 12:16 |
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Probably in part because North American roads are larger and usually straighter and that cars still have the priority over pedestrians and bikes which is not the case in Europe .
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Jb boin
> SBA Thanks You For All The Fish
08/21/2020 at 12:20 |
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As Malta also has one of the highest number and as i was there last week, i can say that it’s probably because they are small countries with mass tourism (so a higher percentage of locals being taxi drivers than in Ireland for example, without trains (not that i would make a huge difference) and without a city huge enough that you could live easily without owning a car .
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Jb boin
> Svend
08/21/2020 at 12:23 |
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Was in Malta last week, there was “plenty ” of Vauxhall (they are normally sold as Opel in Malta) and also many Japanese cars that still had stickers in Japanese.
W ill do a post on all of that when i will have the motivation (took plenty of photos of cars there ) .
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Jb boin
> facw
08/21/2020 at 12:28 |
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IMO both values are interesting and i would say that death by millions is probably more important than per miles as the endgame is staying safe no mater how long is your com mute or if you can use mass transit .
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Svend
> Jb boin
08/21/2020 at 12:30 |
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Ye’, Vauxhall is U.K. only marque.
Vans and minibuses are the main ones as taxes on them are high.